Originally Posted by tenshin_shoden

buat bang RD,
thread serupa sebenarnya sudah banyak tapi maklumlah bang RD kan penghuni baru, bagi saya MA apapun yang anda pelajari, pasti berguna buat saat saat tertentu kalau terdesak.

banyak argumen seperti yang bang RD bilang latihan didojo SANGAT BERBEDA dengan dijalan, betul sekali, tapi bukan berarti nggak berguna latihan didojo.

orang yang sering berlatih akan mempunyai reaksi yang berbeda dengan yang tidak pernah latihan.

orang yang berlatih apapun MAnya punya banyak advantage, fisik,mental,tehnik dan pengalaman bertemu lawan di ring.

Originally Posted by Rey damasco

You're walking alone on the dark alley. You're carrying nothing except your strong bare hands and well-trained feet. Suddenly, five angry and highly drugged men jumped in from out of nowhere and started beating you like hell. Will your Karate, Taekwondo, Muay Thai, Jujitsu, Judo, Aikido, Ninjutsu, MMA, Silat and other styles of Martial Arts training help you control the situation?

Is the above scenario a familiar story to you? It is to me. It is an almost everyday occurrence that Pinoys (Filipinos) must have to deal with. This is the very reason why I carry a "Balisong" or a baton (so to speak) with me wherever I go in the Philippines (except when I go to malls and banks for some reasons).

Street scenario is different from our Dojo sparring or competitions/tournaments. Our resistance and space for strike executions are very limited. Opponents shout like crazy, attacks are from every side and some will kick, some will punch and some will hit you with a bottle/iron bar or even worse, stab/thrust you with an icepick. Without any extended weapon except your hands, feet and your martial arts skills, how will you survive?

Your opinions will be valued as precious gold gentlemen!

Thanks,
RD

Originally Posted by AikiTom

Hi Rey,

From my experience, the situation you have in Philipine is likely you have here in the street of Indonesia, especially when you are out there in the middle of the night, walking around by yourself,
Gang fights, backstabber, those criminal situations are some risk that you face in certain public place, like bus terminal, railways station or dark alleys, public school fight or in a riots (like election days or party campaigning)
When I'm in college, usually the persons who join a dojo, dojang etc, are persons facing death threat situation or that kind of risks, living in unfriendly neighborhood
So the reason we join a martial art school is to defend ourself in pure real situation. Since in my college we can not drag around knife, nunchaks or any hard objects (the criminal law here are quite strict you know), so we need to train empty hands martial arts,
If there any martial arts claim to be the strongest art is commonly challanged by other school to backproff the claim if the later lose the fight he/she will join the winning school.
Usually we train in to punch hard object like breaking materials stuff like that (since we can not carry hard objects/weapons) and learnt that from silat or kuntao. Some of the trainee will learn "pukulan jarak jauh" or long distance punch", this one we keep to ourself only in dire situation and we take oath not to use it in death threat situation.
Some people join a school and suit themself to the school depends to certain degree of threat that they are facing.

ps: I don't want to post any school name here for a certain reason.

Originally Posted by Tenji_no_Ichi

Everythings are depending on the men behind the gun. Not the style which you learnt.
And luckiness of yourself when fighting against delinquent.

Hehehe, about discussion some techniques with me (as mentioned in your SMS) may be in another time when I arrange a schedule to go to Jakarta.

Originally Posted by jd1022

Hi Rey

We met during BMC, and first and foremost I fancy your knife/ stick tapping drills! Hoorah!! do teach me the next time we meet.

The title of the thread is something which is of great discussion amongst martial artists and non-martial artists, in fact it is the subject of debate for some as sometimes (if not most cases) the "art" becomes the main focus (or scape goat) in the context of "Street Reality".

I certainly agree with the previous posts made by our friends, tenshin shoden, aiki tom etc. and the underlying concept if not mentality that must be drum beat into both the martial artists and non-martial artists community is the realization that "reality ... is a set of environment tactically different". Now I realize that at this statement to some (it) maybe too pragmatic, dull, over the top obvious, and plain duh... however sadly we cannot negate the fact that there are individuals out there who turns a blind eye for whatever reason which could be ego, oblivious to danger or reality, ignorance or just plain macho.

To keep it short, in a reality/ street situations often times the best tactical or strategical choice of stacking the odds in our favor may not be directly linked to our martial arts training as the emphasis of psychology, communications, personal space management, body language, environment and improvised tactics etc. are often the small elements which move the bigger picture.

The situation you described:

"You're carrying nothing except your strong bare hands and well-trained feet. Suddenly, five angry and highly drugged men jumped in from out of nowhere and started beating you like hell. "

(GASPS!) Well this situation is quite extreme, and rightfully at the top of the force continuum... can your martial arts training be effective? ... Yes if you make the right choices, with the correct mental attitude at a tactical "time".

Why time? because violence doesn't just HAPPEN... you have to work your way to get there, which is why by the TIME, " IT " happens you can always take the higher road.

Hope that helps,

Ueno
kmselfdefenseindonesia

Originally Posted by jackishere

well if the attackers is black belt in karate, silat, bjj, etc.. i wouldnt stands any chance

most of the case they are just punks and dont want to hurt me not to mention they probably drunk.. they just want the belongings eg money.. so i think an expert of any MA would kick their asses

but can you take the consequence? like they might stumble you on another day and try some dirty tricks like stabbing you with knife from the back??

we might won the fight but we probably will lose the war

Originally Posted by euwin

beladiri memang gak membuat seseorang menjadi mumpuni, apalagi dalam waktu singkat.
Tp mendidik org agar lebih tau kapasitas diri sendiri.
Menghargai manusia, alam n dekat kepada The One Up There....

Yah maap kl posting pake bahasa ya, daripada ntar enggres nya ngawur

Originally Posted by Tenji_no_Ichi

Dont be focused on winning, but trying to "Not to lose" is better.

So, you can treat the opponent not always using your skills in martial arts, but using your social methods (negotiate with opponent) to bring a better solution for both.

Originally Posted by TORA MUSO

In most cases, those who learn MA will have a better chance to survive than those who are not.

Those who learn MA, especially the longer they learn, will be able to sense danger before it happen. So they may avoid it.

Those who understand the wisdom of MA, won't bet themselves to walk alone late at night in a dark, scary alley. They will perfer find a better way to go, even it costs time or money.

Originally Posted by fransinotirta

martial arts..are they effective against street attackers?
I'm just gonna answer it,yes they are effective. Who do u think will have bigger chances to survive a fight against 3 drunken men,bruce lee(martial artist) or tom cruise(not martial artist).
Once i saw a fight in the street where 1 guy was fighting 3 guys. Those guys weren't martial artist,just regular punks. Obviously 3 guys won the fight but the way they beat up that 1 guy are so lame,they hit em all together but that one guy wasn't fallling or badly injuried. Its not that one guy is strong or something,it just that they dont know how to hit hard. So i'm thinking if that one guy was me or any other black belt in martial arts,those 3men wont stand a chance. So yes,martial arts are effective for street attackers.

Originally Posted by TORA MUSO

In most cases, those who learn MA will have a better chance to survive than those who do not.

Those who learn MA, especially the longer they learn, will be able to sense danger before it happen. So they may avoid it.

Those who understand the wisdom of MA, won't bet themselves by walking alone late at night through a dark, scary alley. They will prefer find a better way to go, even it costs time or money.